Judgement – Goodland, R (On the Application Of) v Chief Constable Of Staffordshire Police

35 thoughts on “Judgement – Goodland, R (On the Application Of) v Chief Constable Of Staffordshire Police

  • 2020-10-08 at 12:38 pm

    Dear Unvalued former injury on duty,now retired, police officer.
    Wishing you all the best for the future paricularly in these difficult times. More importantly, you owe Staffs.Police thousands of pounds and we now require paying.
    Finally, we hope that you and your family have a peaceful and joyous festive season.

  • 2020-10-06 at 11:48 pm

    Maybe it’s time injured officers with evidence of corruption by their former employers start to speak to the public through the media, people expect the police to be above board on honest practice and fair impartiality.. The public whether pro or anti police will cringe if they find out how the top corridors of our senior top paid senior (I’ll go out on shift for an hour and a half with the troops to show I’m still a copper at Christmas eve then bugger off before the shite kicks off) officers really are.. Bet their Christmas day never ever gets interrupted any year.. All I want for Christmas is a fair appeal for the staffordshire judicial review, my front teeth are okay.

  • 2020-10-05 at 12:47 am

    It’s as simple as this.. Don’t join the police…I’m from a long line of police officers (bar the second World War when they left to join the armed forces.. Not as mps).. They won’t look after you if you get injured full stop under the likes of staffordshire or northumbria, both chief constables have been hell bent on aggressive reviews abandoning all morality and basic human decency they should have in line with their highly paid office as cc and pcc.. May they sleep well at night when retired on their massive pensions.. But not for long hopefully.

  • 2020-10-01 at 11:04 am

    Sad to say, nothing in this judgement was ever going to be a surprise, the decision had already been made on removal of the original designated judge, (who no doubt would have spent many days before the case was to commence going through and preparing for the case at trial) and replacement with a morally corrupt and clearly instructed on case outcome/decision judge who is no doubt looking forward to a good xmas bonus or promotion…..sarcastic, no, just realistic with eyes wide open to the real world and how it works in the real world and in real life.

    • 2020-10-05 at 11:40 am

      It’s interesting that the BBC have been featuring the plight of Police Officers injured on duty on their morning program hosted by Rav Wilding. It’s a pity that our present ‘treatment’ by Staffs and Northumbria couldn’t be brought to the attention of the general public.

  • 2020-10-01 at 10:48 am

    The thing about law in any form is it must be fair to all sides, otherwise it just isn’t fit for purpose, IOD retirees are people with rights feelings and should be treated properly, medical records have higher expectations in terms of data laws so there’s no way a force should handle any records themselves especially after employment has ended, this judgement seems to have a heavy bias towards the Pension authorities, I hope that an appeal will succeed and the whole of this mess of a system with regards to Injury Pensions will be sorted out so it if fair to both sides, no IOD pensioners should want anyone to be paid a pension they aren’t entitled to or at the wrong level, this process is far too biased towards the authorities who effectively pick the bands by only providing job roles to the SMP in the band they wish you to receive!
    Fair and just, must be sought because this whole thing is in a huge mess and it’s the injured former officers who suffer as a consequence, we have suffered enough already.

  • 2020-09-30 at 5:16 pm

    “We owe great debt to all out brave police officers” – they say in public – then swing the axe into our neck – is this the final curtain.

    I am simply dumbfounded at the moment – I have tried processing some of the court rulings but alas I simply am at this point unable.

    It appears to me the that the government have had a large part in this decision process and that the judge has not acted independently and without bias.
    I would hope an appeal would be held and uphold several points but will it ?.

    It’s very depressing and very hard to think positive about the future as IODs.

  • 2020-09-30 at 8:39 am

    Good luck to those Staffs officers who have appealed this dubious judgement. Don’t be despondent it was going to be appealed no matter which side of the fence the judgement fell down on.

    It’s so easy to keep going when you have a bottomless pit of tax payers public money and are using every tactic in the book to ensure that officers do not get either the emotional or financial support that they are entitled to. Failure to comply to FIO, SAR requests, delay, surveillance, the list goes on. Serving officers would be appalled at the treatment, if aware, should/if/when they become seriously assaulted in the course of their duties, they should not hold out any hope that they will be looked after.

    I’m writing this in a week that another officer has fallen, several sprayed in the face with acid, several injured at ‘peaceful’ demonstrations. Daily, officers are faced with sometimes unknown dangers which are life changing. They do this often to protect the public. The SMT only appear if the sh*t hits the fan and the tragedies hit the news.

    The wrongs and rights of every case will be ploughed over, ‘lessons learnt (again)’, those officers that were present will have to live with the facts, what they witnessed, loss, guilt and the shock. My heart goes out to Ex colleagues and their families having walked their road.

    Their living hell unfortunately continues and will continue for their lifetime. The UK is in mourning, at the same time as witnessing judgements such as this. What a message they send out……. I am led to believe that the Met don’t review their officers, they don’t subject their officers to the same level of repeated taking us back to the day our own lives changed. A handful of Forces, namely Staffordshire and Northumbria continually open our Pandora’s Box (which we all try to shut down/keep closed) then something happens, a letter arrives, a news clip and wave after wave it all comes to sink us back into our own living nightmares . #ripmatt #neverforgotten #thinblueline

  • 2020-09-29 at 8:12 pm

    You think he did all this without the blessing and full support if not at the behest of the Police and Crime Commissioner. Just what input was there there politically?

  • 2020-09-29 at 9:40 am

    I won’t comment on the performance of the Judge in this case, save to say that there appears to be ample grounds for an appeal, and every chance that an appeal would succeed.

    Instead, I have to say that I find it extraordinary that a non-medically qualified person or persons can make any sort of decision on what is essentially a medical matter. I refer of course to CC Morgan’s decisions on the degree of disablement of the pensioners concerned. Regulation 33, which was used by CC Morgan permits, in certain circumstances, a Police Pension Authority to make a determination on degree of disablement, ‘on such evidence and medical advice as they in their discretion think necessary.’

    Looking at this logically, the SMPs who attempted to conduct the reviews could not, or would not reach a decision on the medical evidence available.

    How then could a PPA make a decision, even with the benefit of ‘medical advice’ (which we must assume if present came from the SMPs).

    The PPA was in no better position to make a decision than were the SMPs.

    It can only be concluded that CC Morgan acted out of spite.

    Looking at the history of this dispute it is plain that despite all protestations to the contrary, CC Morgan has displayed nothing other than bad faith. Instead of working with the pensioners and their representatives to find an amicable solution to the impasse, he set himself on a combative course.

    All of this could have been settled without the need for him to waste so much public money on taking the litigation route.

    It is my sincere hope and expectation that he will live to regret his actions.

  • 2020-09-27 at 7:57 pm

    When I was retired through injury it was decided by the Force Medical Officer, a family GP. He was professional and yet compassionate. He knew I didn’t want to retire and it would be a bitter blow for me with the decision he had to make.
    The senior staff were likewise caring and compassionate and offered support should I ever require it once retired.
    Now the process is delivered by tyrannical ruthless individuals intent on ensuring that if you are forced to retire or attend a later review of you injury/injuries it will be done with every attempt to circumvent the Police Injury Regulations as they were written rather they will implement these twisted ideas that have been invented by the certain forces to ensure that you will be left with little or nothing in way of pension.
    This decision by Justice Linden bears no relation to the Police Injury Regulations as they were written and presumably as they were intended.
    That Staffordshire Police can issue a promise in writing and then withdraw completely with not so much as even an apology is incredible and an indication of the lack of integrity and honour of those responsible for managing the Police Injury Regulations

  • 2020-09-24 at 9:59 am

    We are all aware that judges interpret the law but in doing so have they got the ear of the Home Secretary in this instance!
    We should all wonder weather there is a true separation of power between the Executive arm of Government and the Judiciary as any political interference is justice denied.

  • 2020-09-18 at 12:06 pm

    The outcome of this disgraceful excuse for Two Judicial Reviews should come as a tremendous shock to me.”IT DOES N’T”.Given the amount of money,time and effort expended by Morgan,Ellis,Coley and their cohorts,had this inexperienced and deliberately chosen Judge not found in favour of S P, every aspect of The Force would have been exposed in its entirety.No where to hide.The Great British public would learn about every grubby,dishonest and shameful act and SP would have crumbled and fallen like building blocks.This of course could not been aloud to happen.What would have happened to Priti Patels promised Covenant then?..For anyone who feels down hearted,sad or disappointed”PLEASE DON’T BE.When S P gets hit with the next barrage which is waiting the wings,HEAD’S WILL ROLL and they won’t be Police Officers retired as a result of being Injured doing Their sworn duty To Queen and Country.Very Dark Forces in high positions have been involved Here.To Quote Captain Sir Tom.”Tomorrow will be a good Day”

  • 2020-09-17 at 4:44 pm

    I’m sure that when I was medically discharged with a Band 4 injury pension that the SMP at the time had all my medical notes. So why, when being reviewed do they want to see them all again? The SMPs are obviously looking for the slightest medical information to downgrade your pension. They seem to be conducting these reviews with a new found malicious zeal!

    You can attend a review with medical reports from your GP and Consultants and yet the SMP will completely disregard them saying they are biased!!

    Yet, the SMPs are being handsomely paid by the forces to write their reports. Surely they’re biased as well?!

    It’s a complete travesty. Anybody thinking of becoming a Police Officer should seriously consider another choice of career!

  • 2020-09-17 at 4:22 pm

    Such a bad result for everyone sadly. And it smells badly of something rotten. Yet again we are shafted and the IOD’s are the losers again.
    Only hope we can get an appeal and hope against hope for a Judge who is fair and impartial.

  • 2020-09-17 at 10:59 am

    The UK injustice system strikes again.

    So if this is not a money saving venture and they do not seek to lower banding’s, what is it all about?, the welfare of IOD’s?

  • 2020-09-17 at 10:35 am

    This judgment makes no sense at all.

    One of the most simple yet main points raised in this highly important case was that it is not stated in the regulations that the retired injured officers have to consent or supply their personal, private GP medical records upon a review of their injury award.

    I will stand corrected on this specific point, so please show me where it is stated in the regulations.

    If it is not stated in regulations or law then it is not happening, it is that simple.
    You cannot interpret or manipulate them to suit your narrative and you really need to get your head around this Gareth Morgan.

    So in this case, on that alone it stands to reason that the this judgment and process is obviously flawed and can therefore not be regarded as justice in a legal process.

    There is absolute clarity here that the points have not been listened to correctly by the Judge and that the regulations have been allowed to be interpreted and manipulated, yet again by influence.

    Why was this Judge planted at the very latter stages!?

    Serious questions need to be raised as to why the regulations have clearly been allowed to be wrongfully interpreted in a court by this inexperienced Judge.

  • 2020-09-17 at 9:34 am

    Maybe the videoing or recording of SMP examinations would result in a feeling there would be a fairer outcome.

    • 2020-09-27 at 12:13 am

      Agree with this 100%..personal experience I went into a review with an smp and had a decent narpo rep with me.. At the start of the review both my rep and myself informed the smp we were going to record the review audio wise on our mobile phones and personal audio recorders.. Smp then stopped review instantly.. Guess what force?.. Morgan’s.. Staffordshire police… Bet that didn’t surprise you.

      • 2020-10-01 at 8:10 am

        I am so disgusted with my former force I cannot find the words to truly express how I feel. I am ashamed too think I once served you. I thought you would support me following my injuries. I was wrong you will employ any tactics to serve your agenda and do not care for your former officers.

  • 2020-09-17 at 8:33 am

    Let’s concentrate on the Judge here and not the judgement, as the judgment given is irrelevant in this case when you look at the highly likely infiltration and seemingly corruption and ignorance displayed.

    You cannot deny that the change of Judge at the eleventh hour clearly stands out in this case and does not sit well at all. Join the dots and look for the connections.

    The judgment given could also cause questions to be raised as to whether there is HO ifluence in this case aswell as a networking craft.

    The whole system concerning IOD Police Officers, including their entitlement to their pensions and awards has clearly been manipulated and infiltrated by corrupt mindsets to design a system that breaks them, to take their dignity, to kick them whilst they are down, to further destroy their lives, to magnify their already suffering, in hope the Officers back down, give up, or in some tragic circumstances the Officers take their own lives because of the tyranny treatment by individuals who help manipulate this system to break them.

    It falls nothing short of an assault.

    The crude fact of the matter is, the likes of Morgan voice they want to save money, when in fact they use obscene amounts of public money to pay for their legal chases in an attempt to satisfy their personal vendettas against injured Officers who dare to challenge the wrong doings.

    Let’s not forget the actual obscene pensions, in this particular example that Morgan will be retiring on. It makes an IOD Officers pension seem like loose change.

    It is clearly a fraudulent system that attempts to keep injured Police Officers subservient to the Forces and their manipulated system, which should not be allowed to continue.

    I have no doubt this will be a short lived celebration for you and your shameful team Morgan.

    Prayers and thoughts to the 17 victims and their families in this case. Keep strong as true justice will prevail.

  • 2020-09-17 at 8:00 am

    I find the judgment hard to comprehend at para 46 we see…objection to the PPA gathering information at the request of the SMP provided appropriate steps are taken in relation to issues of confidentiality and data protection….when has a PPA ever considered these issues correctly, lets see the law and the protection it purports to offer distributed evenly!

  • 2020-09-17 at 7:58 am

    OK – that stinks – but let’s get the appeal rolling – I do believe that justice will prevail eventually.

  • 2020-09-17 at 6:52 am

    An absolute travesty. The judgement has no correlation with the actual wording of pension regulations. Its seems more how the Judge has interpreted it to mean in an ideal world – for the Forces – without any recourse or reference to the regs as they are actually printed. I do hope it progresses the supreme court and the seventeen prevail.

  • 2020-09-16 at 10:53 pm

    With such an important and far reaching judgement it is only right and proper that leave to appeal is given.
    To let this stand would have a major Impact, no a devastating impact to many injured on duty former police officers particularly to former Staffordshire Police officers who took the word of that force who promised in writing that they would only review again if requested by the pensioner.
    That promise has proved worthless, an almost unbelievable state of affairs made worse by the ruthless manner in which these reviews are being conducted. Our only “crime” was to be injured doing our duty yet we are mercilessly pursued with all the tenacity and effort reserved for Investigating serious crimes.
    Anyone considering a career with the police should consider very carefully how they will be treated and manage to survive financially should they become injured whilst doing their duty. You will get no help or assistance at all from the police and will be treated like a financial liability.
    Our fight for justice is not over.
    “Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.”( Winston Churchill )

  • 2020-09-16 at 10:30 pm

    So much for an independent judiciary.

  • 2020-09-16 at 10:10 pm

    If this judgement stands, understand the repercussions!
    They are not only for the 17, they r for society as a whole.
    Read the transcript, understand the issues and the judgement does not stand up to scrutiny!
    Expect an appeal and let’s trust in justice!

  • 2020-09-16 at 10:09 pm

    I can`t get the link across but please listen to Tom Petty “I Won’t Back Down” on youtube it says it all for all of us

  • 2020-09-16 at 9:32 pm

    If this is rolled out over all benefits then patient doctor confidentiality is lost for all claimants

    • 2020-09-26 at 12:10 am

      A decision that is in the process of an appeal, maybe a couple of times, Staffordshire Police instantly have a prepared statement released to the press as well as a circular email to their staff explaining their justification for the reviews.. A chief Constable who may not have a clue what has actually taken place under his own nose by certain members of his H. O.. Sorry H. R? Staff.. Very doubtful I know, if I was a chief Constable who was being challenged by former proper police officers of good repute, I’d want to know every detail, friends who are still serving are not surprised, I know former colleagues begging for new stab vests as theirs are beyond repair, vehicles off the road as unserviceable, police officers unable to refuel vehicles as the fuel contract was unpaid, having to leave a police vehicle at the petrol station after being asked by control to pay for the fuel out of their own pocket and claim it back. Immediate response jobs now being graded in Staffordshire.. Its a reality.. Sorry love.. I know your husbands violent but we’ve got a diesel spill on the A50.. The general feeling of serving and ex officers?… Bugger that for a job… I’d be mortified if my kids became coppers.. However I know they won’t as they know how it works and have hindsight and have seen their old man took to the firing squad post and back a few times by a police service which was fantastic 11 years ago wrecked by self indulgent people..

  • 2020-09-16 at 9:24 pm

    I find it very odd that the Judge in this case was swopped what, four days before the case and that everything ruled against IOD’s. Coincidence? There is no such thing.

    Who is ever going to want to join the Police once some of the experiences of Officers Injured on Duty’s’ experiences are published? I strongly advise against it to anyone I know who are considering it now. Put your life on the line to be let down when you get injured? No Thanks.

  • 2020-09-16 at 9:10 pm

    Judge changed at the 11th hour and all decisions against the Staffs Officers…. Justice isn’t blind, she’s corrupted by money and savings

  • 2020-09-16 at 8:47 pm

    Unreal decision let’s go for an appeal

    • 2020-09-28 at 9:58 am

      Firstly, it was my former loyalty to the force I joined in the 70’s. That was destroyed by a Chief who I had always looked up to. He headed a Police Chiefs group that wanted all IOD’s to become Band 1 at the age of 65, no matter how they were coping!

      Now it’s British justice, that for over 30 years as an officer & always as a citizen, I believed in, seemingly destroyed by the ‘establishment’.

      Not only has this judgement riden a coach & horses through the regs, it seems to have rewritten case law. SMP”s can demand anything they think they need to make an assessment, including full medical records from before the injury! Bye bye to the ‘Laws’ judgement and causation then, to name but one.

      Finally, the bit that really gets me. The Judge made no comment re Morgan’s 33 decisions. Even if the power had transferred, Morgan could have made three separate choices. 1. Increase. 2 decrease, or 3. No change and this should have been based on the info he had. Not one of the 17 were no change, or increased. Morgan used 33 as a pure punishment for challenging his bully boy tactics.

      So farewell loyalty & justice. No doubt fair play & decency are next!

      Let’s hope the appeal finds a more moral and fair outcome.

  • 2020-09-16 at 8:30 pm

    This is such a perverse decision an appeal must be made.

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